Wednesday, June 29, 2005

Re: [puma-news] motorcycle noise, DIA and deja vu all over again

Hi Fay:

Here is the ordinance...most recent that I am aware of:

http://www.co.boulder.co.us/bocc/Ordinances/noise.htm

I'm sure that what you & the community are experiencing far exceeds the limits noted in the ordinance.  Only one way to find out for sure...

As we discussed last time this came up...it would be very useful to measure the noise.  Setting up the right time to be in the right place could be tricky.  So...how about I lend you a sound level meter and show you how to use it?

Peace & quiet,
Norman


Fay Benson wrote:
Hello Norman and everyone, In the past week, I have called the Boulder Co. Sheriff twice about the motorcycles.  The first time was last Thursday about 2 Kawasaki's without licenses.  One green with a number 357 on a big handle bar shield and a blue one with 202 on a similar shield.  I don't believe they (Officer Chris Norcia and another officer)found them.  They were on Pine Glade and the officers happened to both be in the area during their shift change over. Officer Norcia ticketed a dune buggy the previous day at Gross Res., so he was willing to pursue them. This afternoon I called about an amazingly loud red bike (white helmet) that tore down and back up Pine Glade within 3 minutes.  I just talked at length with Officer Robinson who did find this bike.  Since he had a license (couldn't see from my house one way or the other) and was on a road - Magnolia - and was only going 35, he could do nothing.  He told me there was no noise ordinance in Boulder County.  When I questioned him about that in regard to the posting here, he admitted there was an ordinance, but it doesn't apply to vehicles.  So basically, if it has a license, it can drive as fast and as loud as it wants on Pine Glade, etc.  I told him about this posting and mentioned a decibel level and he admitted he didn't know the ordinance and would look into it.  His position shifted throughout our conversation but I couldn't pin him down without having hard facts myself. Also, he doesn't think we have a speed limit for sure - but will hopefully look into it.  (He isn't well versed on laws for unincorporated areas and is apparently one of the officers assigned to us.) If you know the ordinance, please cite the number or quote it for us please so we know where we stand - even if the officer doesn't.  This bike was so loud, I had time to run from the back of the house all the way outside to get a look at him before he passed by.  How do we get the decibel measurements? Has anyone else been calling in about the bikes?  If I am the only one, they will soon ignore me, even though the calls are legitimate. Thanks, Fay Benson Pine Glade Rd.   -----Original Message----- From: owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org [mailto:owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org] On Behalf Of Oval Window Audio/Norman Lederman Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:06 AM To: Oval Window Audio/Norman Lederman Cc: Fay Benson; 'PUMA News' Subject: Re: [puma-news] motorcycle noise, DIA and deja vu all over again  Hi Paul,  A better response to your question about noise ordinances:  Boulder County does in fact have noise pollution regulations that apply  (here) to motorcycles, barking dogs, power tools, etc.  In regard to  motorcycles...a specific decibel limit is stated.  And so...I'd be happy  to assist in taking measurements that could be performed in a low  profile manner.  It's one thing to make a nuisance complaint, it's a far better thing to  relate actual data to existing laws.  Makes for a much better case.  Norman Aspen Meadows  Oval Window Audio/Norman Lederman wrote:    
-----Original Message----- From: owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org [mailto:owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org] On Behalf Of Paul DeLong Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 2:12 PM To: 'Scott C. Reuman'; 'PUMA News' Subject: RE: [puma-news] DIA and deja vu all over again  Any chance PUMA can help acquire a noise ordinance to keep down the  noise from motorcycles etc that frequent our neighborhoods especially in the Summer months?  Paul DeLong Accuer, Inc. 1942 Broadway, Ste. 208 Boulder, CO 80302 Ph 303-323-4296 x4 Fax 303-323-4297 Cell 303-859-0052 www.accuer.com     -----Original Message----- From: owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org [mailto:owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org] On Behalf Of Scott C. Reuman Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 5:46 PM To: PUMA News Subject: [puma-news] DIA and deja vu all over again  I thought some of you might remember the days of DIA and jet noise  and possibly be interested in this information:  Hi Nature Lovers,  I hope you have been enjoying your Sunday in peaceful, quiet Boulder  --  ooops, quiet except for the virtually nonstop drone of tow planes pulling gliders and circling small planes.  If you are bothered by the airplane noise,  you should know that the City of Boulder is currently conducting an Airport Master Plan Update which will govern issues at the Boulder Municipal Airport for the next ten years or so.  So NOW IS THE TIME.  You can learn more by visiting the Quiet Sky Society website at http://quietsky.org/ and the City of Boulder Municipal Airport site at http://www.ci.boulder.co.us/airport/noise_abatement.htm.  If you want to stay informed and know the meeting schedule for reviewing the plan, join the Quiet Sky mail list.  We promise not to bombard you with e-mails, but will keep you posted on important developments.  And if you want to do more - e.g., show up at meetings as a member or supporter of the Quiet Sky Society, you can e-mail me (gloveman ** ameritech.net or Jim Adams (jptadams ** comcast.net) and we will put you on the more active list.  (** use @)  Thanks for listening.  Gail    ****************************** Scott Campbell Reuman Artist/Writer Conundrum Designs, Inc. Nederland, CO http://www.conundrumdesigns.com scottreuman@conundrumdesigns.com          
     

RE: [puma-news] motorcycle noise, DIA and deja vu all over again

Hello Norman and everyone,
In the past week, I have called the Boulder Co. Sheriff twice about the
motorcycles. The first time was last Thursday about 2 Kawasaki's without
licenses. One green with a number 357 on a big handle bar shield and a blue
one with 202 on a similar shield. I don't believe they (Officer Chris
Norcia and another officer)found them. They were on Pine Glade and the
officers happened to both be in the area during their shift change over.
Officer Norcia ticketed a dune buggy the previous day at Gross Res., so he
was willing to pursue them.
This afternoon I called about an amazingly loud red bike (white helmet) that
tore down and back up Pine Glade within 3 minutes. I just talked at length
with Officer Robinson who did find this bike. Since he had a license
(couldn't see from my house one way or the other) and was on a road -
Magnolia - and was only going 35, he could do nothing. He told me there was
no noise ordinance in Boulder County. When I questioned him about that in
regard to the posting here, he admitted there was an ordinance, but it
doesn't apply to vehicles. So basically, if it has a license, it can drive
as fast and as loud as it wants on Pine Glade, etc. I told him about this
posting and mentioned a decibel level and he admitted he didn't know the
ordinance and would look into it. His position shifted throughout our
conversation but I couldn't pin him down without having hard facts myself.
Also, he doesn't think we have a speed limit for sure - but will hopefully
look into it. (He isn't well versed on laws for unincorporated areas and is
apparently one of the officers assigned to us.)
If you know the ordinance, please cite the number or quote it for us please
so we know where we stand - even if the officer doesn't. This bike was so
loud, I had time to run from the back of the house all the way outside to
get a look at him before he passed by. How do we get the decibel
measurements?
Has anyone else been calling in about the bikes? If I am the only one, they
will soon ignore me, even though the calls are legitimate.
Thanks,
Fay Benson
Pine Glade Rd.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org
[mailto:owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org] On Behalf Of Oval Window
Audio/Norman Lederman
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:06 AM
To: Oval Window Audio/Norman Lederman
Cc: Fay Benson; 'PUMA News'
Subject: Re: [puma-news] motorcycle noise, DIA and deja vu all over again

Hi Paul,

A better response to your question about noise ordinances:

Boulder County does in fact have noise pollution regulations that apply
(here) to motorcycles, barking dogs, power tools, etc. In regard to
motorcycles...a specific decibel limit is stated. And so...I'd be happy
to assist in taking measurements that could be performed in a low
profile manner.

It's one thing to make a nuisance complaint, it's a far better thing to
relate actual data to existing laws. Makes for a much better case.

Norman
Aspen Meadows

Oval Window Audio/Norman Lederman wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org
>> [mailto:owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org] On Behalf Of Paul DeLong
>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 2:12 PM
>> To: 'Scott C. Reuman'; 'PUMA News'
>> Subject: RE: [puma-news] DIA and deja vu all over again
>>
>> Any chance PUMA can help acquire a noise ordinance to keep down the
>> noise
>> from motorcycles etc that frequent our neighborhoods especially in the
>> Summer months?
>>
>> Paul DeLong
>> Accuer, Inc.
>> 1942 Broadway, Ste. 208
>> Boulder, CO 80302
>> Ph 303-323-4296 x4
>> Fax 303-323-4297
>> Cell 303-859-0052
>> www.accuer.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org
>> [mailto:owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org] On Behalf Of Scott C. Reuman
>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 5:46 PM
>> To: PUMA News
>> Subject: [puma-news] DIA and deja vu all over again
>>
>> I thought some of you might remember the days of DIA and jet noise
>> and possibly be interested in this information:
>>
>> Hi Nature Lovers,
>>
>> I hope you have been enjoying your Sunday in peaceful, quiet Boulder
>> -- ooops, quiet except for the virtually nonstop drone of
>> tow planes pulling gliders and circling small planes.
>>
>> If you are bothered by the airplane noise, you should know that the
>> City of Boulder is currently conducting an Airport Master Plan Update
>> which will govern issues at the Boulder Municipal Airport for the next
>> ten years or so. So NOW IS THE TIME.
>>
>> You can learn more by visiting the Quiet Sky Society website at
>> http://quietsky.org/
>> and the City of Boulder Municipal Airport site at
>> http://www.ci.boulder.co.us/airport/noise_abatement.htm.
>>
>> If you want to stay informed and know the meeting schedule for
>> reviewing the plan, join the Quiet Sky mail list. We promise not to
>> bombard you with e-mails, but will keep you posted on important
>> developments.
>>
>> And if you want to do more - e.g., show up at meetings as a member or
>> supporter of the Quiet Sky Society, you can e-mail me (gloveman **
>> ameritech.net or Jim Adams (jptadams ** comcast.net) and we will put
>> you on the more active list. (** use @)
>>
>> Thanks for listening.
>>
>> Gail
>>
>>
>>
>> ******************************
>> Scott Campbell Reuman
>> Artist/Writer
>> Conundrum Designs, Inc.
>> Nederland, CO
>> http://www.conundrumdesigns.com
>> scottreuman@conundrumdesigns.com
>>
>>
>

[puma-news] Wild strawberry

Fragaria virginiana has tiny berries which are amazingly delicious.
This, however, is not a reason to collect them They are supposed to
nourish the little guys.

Best,
J

[puma-news] Scorpionweed

Scorpionweed is now blooming in the woods. This plant is famous for
its exserted stamens. World leaders tremble.

Best,
J

[puma-news] sulfur buckwheat

Erioganum umbellatum, in the buckwheata, or Polygonaceae, family, is
blooming now. Familiar domestic cousins in this family are rhubarb and
buckwheat.
Polygonaceae plants can cause photosensitization and, according to
Weber, can cause fatal sunburn in white cattle.

Best,
J

RE: [puma-news] Plateau herbicide

I agree with David - if its 4 oz to the acre, the minimum buy is 8 acres.  If not through PUMA, then maybe through one of us.  You know, put it up in 1 oz baggies and sell it on the corner of Magnolia and 68J for 20 bucks a pop. 
 
Don Van Wie
OneRain, Inc.
The Rainfall Company
1531 Skyway Drive, Suite D
Longmont, CO  80504-6270

Tel:   (303) 258-0170
Ofc: 
(303) 774-2033

Web:
www.onerain.com


From: owner-puma-news@www.puma-net.org on behalf of David.Bahr@colorado.edu
Sent: Wed 6/29/2005 6:59 AM
To: puma-news@puma-net.org
Cc: Jennifer and Dan
Subject: Re: [puma-news] Plateau herbicide

Hi Jennifer,

At 4 ounces per acre, I couldn't even come close to using a quart.  I suspect
most of us only have small parts of our acreage affected by cheat grass.  So
perhaps puma could make the initial investment and then request a minimum
donation (say $20) for its use.  Puma would make a little money that could be
used for other projects, and the rest of us would save money.  (And the cheat
grass would be gone.)  Win win.

Dave

_____________________________________________

Quoting Jennifer and Dan <larkspur@magnoliaroad.net>:

> Dear friends,
> Plateau can be ordered online from Prairie Source (Prairiesource.com).
> Cost:
> 1 gallon  $340
> 1 Quart  $125
>
> This is the first source I have checked out, but it gives us an idea
> what to expect.  Pricey, huh?
>
> "According to university tests, cheatgrass can be sprayed in the spring,
> but better control is achievable in the late summer and early fall.
> ---uses four ounces of product per acre---"  Shane Novacek   PRIMEDIA
> Business Magazines & Media
>
> One ( me?) assumes that it gets mixed with water.
>
> Should PUMA buy some for all of us?  Or should we go it alone?
> Discussion open.
>
> Your opinions, please --- as a first step.
>
>
> Best,
> J
>
>
>
>
>


[puma-news] wildlife

As you probably know, Cherie Long passed the job of wildlife recording
on to Elaine Benz at abentz@acsd14.k12.co.us. However, in addition to
record keeping, I think it's fun and interesting to hear about people's
encounters with the wild side. I've been hearing some good bear/lion
stories --- no one has been injured, bears and lions, though apparently
becoming more habituated, haven't done anything (yet) to warrent being
turned in --- but I sometimes get things that would be enjoyed by PUMA
at large. I suspect that we need to remind everyone that you can send
something out to PUMA via email at puma-news@puma-net.org. So, tell
your stories! We are listening!

Best,
Jennifer

Re: [puma-news] Plateau herbicide

Hi Jennifer,

At 4 ounces per acre, I couldn't even come close to using a quart. I suspect
most of us only have small parts of our acreage affected by cheat grass. So
perhaps puma could make the initial investment and then request a minimum
donation (say $20) for its use. Puma would make a little money that could be
used for other projects, and the rest of us would save money. (And the cheat
grass would be gone.) Win win.

Dave

_____________________________________________

Quoting Jennifer and Dan <larkspur@magnoliaroad.net>:

> Dear friends,
> Plateau can be ordered online from Prairie Source (Prairiesource.com).
> Cost:
> 1 gallon $340
> 1 Quart $125
>
> This is the first source I have checked out, but it gives us an idea
> what to expect. Pricey, huh?
>
> "According to university tests, cheatgrass can be sprayed in the spring,
> but better control is achievable in the late summer and early fall.
> ---uses four ounces of product per acre---" Shane Novacek PRIMEDIA
> Business Magazines & Media
>
> One ( me?) assumes that it gets mixed with water.
>
> Should PUMA buy some for all of us? Or should we go it alone?
> Discussion open.
>
> Your opinions, please --- as a first step.
>
>
> Best,
> J
>
>
>
>
>